Value of items

[piranha]

Chazar: bug caused by me yesterday. Fixed now.

[Chazar]

• I think I would trade Agrippa's ring against the EyeOfKGB at any time, except maybe on the smallest of maps - or maps without ruins. Therefore I would value it higher.
• I would probably trade the InfernalCranium for Ken's Boots, and I would actually swap their prices: both group move +3 and negate terrain can be used to surprise any square counting enemy.
• I would also swap the price for Narya with the WebbedRing, since a city bonus + pillaging comes into play much more often than a bonus against fliers, ever since fliers were rightly prohibited from using roads and since the ranger appeared.
• I would pay more for BalinsProtector than for TitansAdament, as a mere 15 warding seems no enough to offset both drawbacks.

It is fun the see the price for Ragnarök. I think people complained how it was the worst item ever - well, but I guess that was before Barbarians appeared (and before it helped with pillaging).

[SnotlinG]

New updated list below.
Note that Ken's Boots only give move bonus and not groupmove, so goldvalue is unchanged for this item.

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Sir Valor   1   250
Skeleton kings warden   1   250
Ishmaels relic   1   350
Ragnarok   1   350
Agrippas balanced ring   1   400
Eye of KGB   1   425
Kens boots   2   425
Lucifers Visor   2   425
Kaleidoscope   2   500
Eternal coin   3   500
Infernal cranium   2   500
Icarus bow   2   500
Marcus helmet   2   500
Moonknights deathslayer   2   550
War Traveller   2   550
Narya   2   600
Webbed ring   2   650
Titans adament   2   700
Shadow dancer   2   700
Balins protector   2   725
Angelic armour   3   750
Treads of tuor   3   750
Necromancers Shelter   3   750
Agatas soul cage   2   800
Patriarch   2   850
Wizards charge   3   850
Shayatins mask   3   850
Apple of discord   2   900
Chagats light armour   3   950
Skull ring   3   1000
Merlons sturdy ring   3   1000
Witch kings flail   3   1100
Wing of seraphim   3   1200
Gabriels heart   3   1200
Deaths disguise   3   1350
The grandfather   3   1350


[Chazar]

Huh, you put Agrippa's Ring above the Eye? I was arguing the other way around (Eye more expensive than Ring).

[SnotlinG]

Aha, I switched their costs now
But I think the Eye will be a little bit less valued in 0.92, since all ruins will have undead guardians it wont be so easy to just go and collect allies...

[magian]

That is very true, snapping up free allies was what made the eye so good. It may need to come down in price now. It would be neat if the eye could show you the contents of any enemy stack. Might be a bit too good for a level 1 though.

[KGB]

It would be neat if the eye could show you the contents of any enemy stack. Might be a bit too good for a level 1 though.

That would be better suited to a new skill like 'scouting' that allowed revealing units in an enemy stack from a certain distance (higher the level of the skill the further away you could see the contents of an enemy stack). Then that skill could be given to certain units and heroes.

KGB

[Chazar]

I would think that a skill to allow to look inside stack should come at a price, i.e. a gold cost per use similar to the cost of producing, moving and sacrificing a crow/scout. The crow/scout mechanism is tedious, so something that eases it would be nice. However, one can defend against crows with eagles, etc., so any simplification through an item or skill should be flawed or also allow for a defense.

However, I would suggest to move the relevant replies about this topic into a separate thread.

[SnotlinG]

Please keep this thread about item goldvalues - which I consider more or less closed now

Any ideas about viewing enemy stacks are appreciated, but I think it would be better in its own separate thread - making it more visible to other users as well that might have some ideas/feedback

[Chazar]

Separate thread started, including a recap of the relevant posts here: Scouting V2.0