AMBUSH MAYHEM?

[tyrannicide]

Hi all,

I just got this from a fellow player. I don't begrudge heavy use of "ambush stacks" it is what they are there for.

That said, is this possible?

Supremus to tyrannicide, UNiMEDiA:
You should know it.
On the 30th turn the Teal attacked my best hero in Narentol city
Paladin (+10) and seven ghosts.
each ghost had 116 % of an ambush.
Paladin had 101 % of an ambush.



Cheers,

tyrannicide

[KGB]

It's possible.

7 Ghosts = 56% group ambush.
A Ghost comes with 25% ambush.
That totals out to 81% per Ghost.
That leaves 35% ambush coming from the hero (116-81=35).

A Paladin hero can get 10% group ambush at level up.
Items that have Ambush include: Deaths Disguise (25% group, 10% personal), ShadowDancer (5% group, 10% personal), Witch Kings Flail (5% group), Necromancers Shelter (5% group).

Assuming the hero took 10% from level up, all he'd need is Deaths Disguise to reach the 35% needed to get the Ghosts to 116. Then the Paladin would have 56+10+25=91 group ambush and the +10 personal from Deaths Disguise gives him 101.

KGB

[Erenoth]

I assume if this was being used against a worthwhile stack that only the paladin would be likely to survive though, correct? They would ambush something then be useless and die.

[KGB]

Yes indeed. It's literally a suicide mission for the 7 Ghosts with only the Paladin surviving (assuming the other stack had 8 men).

KGB

[LPhillips]

That item is basically a 2-level boost to Assassin. Then he only needs level 6 for 100% ambush for himself/wolf riders. Good to see these items (like Ragnarok) coming into their full potential. The sword sword went from being a handicap to a huge asset.

[tyrannicide]

Thanks, fellas.

[Molotov]

what if two units met, each having 100% ambush?
will they ambush each other?

[KGB]

Molotov,

No. If both units are successful in their ambush roll then no one is ambushed (2 successes = both fail just like normal combat rolls when both units hit).

This leads to an important observation. If 2 stacks of 8 units with 100% ambush meet then who wins is decided by the normal battle rolls between the first unit to fight in each stack and the winner will be left with 1 man. This is because the first 2 units cancel their ambush and then fight normally. The winning unit is then ambushed by the 2nd unit in the losing stack. That unit it then ambushed by the 2nd unit in the winning stack. On and on it goes until the winning stack is left with 1 man

KGB

[Molotov]

funny!

[LPhillips]

How bizarre. Perhaps units whose ambush is frustrated by another ambush roll should always be permitted a second on the next unit, or a non-lethal "Ambush protection" roll should be allowed?