79% protection

[gil]

is this planned or a bug?


my castle with 18 units was attacked by 6
i had 2 crows there

is it possible that my 2 crows upgraded enemy protection and allowed him to win while dice was on my side?

is Total battle counted with or without anti air?

[SnotlinG]

Not sure I understand the question, but by adding units to your defence / stack you can never increase the opponents chance to win. This as even a weak crow with battle 5 vs enemy who has anti air bonus will increase your total chances. (This since anti air bonus is only valid against units who is actually flying, so the battlestrengths between the other units is unchanged)

[gil]

i think:

1. without crows Total battle<500
2. winning was 79% and protection activated
3. if no protection was given and dice like me i whould have won

[KGB]

Gil,

Battle is based on raw strengths. Bonus's like AA are not included nor are the bonus's from morale/leadership/walls/fear/chaos/siege.

Did you manually add up the base totals (no bonus's) for both sides to reach 500 points?

Anyway as far as protection from loss goes, it never drops below 81%. So if he was only 79% chance to win you still had a chance to pull out the victory. But you are correct that sometimes adding units to your defense guarantees your opponent a victory when if you didn't add them you might have had a chance to win.

KGB

[gil]

KGB

please open
http://www.warbarons.com/wiki/battlepercentrule


then scroll to bottom line
this says 79% when 505 power

in my game i had 79% and the enemy last 1 unit killed 8 fighting units with dice icon showing protection on them

[KGB]

Gil,

I stand corrected. I hadn't seen that Wiki page that Piranha updated. I only recall him saying it wasn't going to get under 80%.

In that case adding the crows is one of the rare cases that adding more units caused you to lose.

KGB

[gil]

Gil,

Battle is based on raw strengths. Bonus's like AA are not included nor are the bonus's from morale/leadership/walls/fear/chaos/siege.

KGB

I did add up the raw strangth numbers its less then 505

[KGB]

Gil,

Raw strength DOES include terrain bonus's + blessings.

If that still doesn't reach 505 then it would not be using that rule. You'd need to post a screen shot or else type out all the info from the battle for all the units on both sides plus the %s for both sides etc so we can look more closely at it.

KGB

[gil]

Ambush roll:
Attacker: HeavyCavalry rolls 65 (10) Miss!
Defender: Dwarf rolls 11 (11) Hit!
Ambush on HeavyCavalry, unit dies.



Ambush roll:
Attacker: Sandworm rolls 29 (10) Miss!

Battle roll:47
Attacker chance:(92.2%)
Defender chance:(7.8%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:7
Attacker chance:(92.2%)
Defender chance:(7.8%)
Attacker: Sandworm is injured
Battle roll:16
Attacker chance:(92.2%)
Defender chance:(7.8%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 7 (11) Hit!
Ambush on Sandworm, unit dies.



Ambush roll:
Attacker: Medusa rolls 89 (75) Miss!

Battle roll:26
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:66
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 57 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:74
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:10
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Attacker: Medusa is injured
Battle roll:26
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 47 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:67
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:51
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 37 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:13
Attacker chance:(76.29%)
Defender chance:(23.71%)
Attacker: Medusa is slayed

Ambush roll:
Attacker: HeroPaladin rolls 4 (10) Hit!
Ambush on Dwarf, unit dies.



Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 86 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:65
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:4
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Attacker: HeroPaladin is injured
Battle roll:14
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 38 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:59
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:50
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 56 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:14
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:89
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 71 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:90
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:64
Attacker chance:(91.06%)
Defender chance:(8.94%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 8 (11) Hit!
Ambush on HeroPaladin, unit dies.



Ambush roll:
Attacker: Devil rolls 48 (10) Miss!

Battle roll:44
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:5
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Attacker: Devil is injured
Battle roll:70
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 75 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:87
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:11
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Attacker: Devil is injured
Battle roll:30
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 84 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:94
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:3
Attacker chance:(82.89%)
Defender chance:(17.11%)
Attacker: Devil is slayed

Ambush roll:
Attacker: HeroDreadKnight rolls 46 (20) Miss!

Battle roll:42
Attacker chance:(79.84%)
Defender chance:(20.16%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Dwarf rolls 99 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:10
Attacker chance:(79.84%)
Defender chance:(20.16%)
Attacker: HeroDreadKnight is injured
Battle roll:82
Attacker chance:(79.84%)
Defender chance:(20.16%)
Defender: Dwarf is injured
Battle roll:56
Attacker chance:(79.84%)
Defender chance:(20.16%)
Defender: Dwarf is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Crow rolls 100 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:56
Attacker chance:(94.64%)
Defender chance:(5.36%)
Defender: Crow is injured
Battle roll:36
Attacker chance:(94.64%)
Defender chance:(5.36%)
Defender: Crow is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Crow rolls 68 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:22
Attacker chance:(94.64%)
Defender chance:(5.36%)
Defender: Crow is injured
Battle roll:28
Attacker chance:(94.64%)
Defender chance:(5.36%)
Defender: Crow is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Sandworm rolls 21 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:38
Attacker chance:(73.94%)
Defender chance:(26.06%)
Defender: Sandworm is injured
Battle roll:35
Attacker chance:(73.94%)
Defender chance:(26.06%)
Defender: Sandworm is injured
Battle roll:60
Attacker chance:(73.94%)
Defender chance:(26.06%)
Defender: Sandworm is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Ghost rolls 78 (29) Miss!

Battle roll:18
Attacker chance:(90.12%)
Defender chance:(9.88%)
Defender: Ghost is injured
Battle roll:11
Attacker chance:(90.12%)
Defender chance:(9.88%)
Defender: Ghost is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Ghost rolls 43 (29) Miss!

Battle roll:59
Attacker chance:(90.12%)
Defender chance:(9.88%)
Defender: Ghost is injured
Battle roll:96
Attacker chance:(90.12%)
Defender chance:(9.88%)
Defender: Ghost is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Eagle rolls 64 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:56
Attacker chance:(87.38%)
Defender chance:(12.62%)
Defender: Eagle is injured
Battle roll:27
Attacker chance:(87.38%)
Defender chance:(12.62%)
Defender: Eagle is slayed

Ambush roll:
Defender: Eagle rolls 88 (11) Miss!

Battle roll:73
Attacker chance:(87.38%)
Defender chance:(12.62%)
Defender: Eagle is injured
Battle roll:29
Attacker chance:(87.38%)
Defender chance:(12.62%)
Defender: Eagle is slayed

[KGB]

I count 576 total strength.

Yours is 381
His is 195

Your Crows make up 20 of that. They didn't push you over the 500 limit because you were already there.

A tough loss losing to the rule when it drops to 79%. I've argued with Piranha before that it's dropping too low when it reaches places like 79%. I think it should start at 95 (instead of 90) and only go as low as 85.

KGB