honesty / transparency

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honesty / transparency

Postby gil » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:39 pm

heroes and hero alias need to be more transparent
wiki explains what odds you got to receive offer it neglects to explain what lvl hero, what alias and what location

what lvl hero can i get at what turn with what odds and how much gold will i need?
what alias can i get at what turn with what odds and how much gold will i need?

game reliability is injured dramatically when enemy get a red dragon with a lvl 4 hero in the right location

maybe you can consider changing the "hero offer random system" to a price tag where the more heroes you got the more it costs or sell the alias as a ready made unit regardless of hero offer
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Re: honesty / transparency

Postby KGB » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:39 pm

I started to update the Wiki for Hero Offers/Allies etc. But I got side tracked and haven't finished it. I'll try and get back to finishing it but I'm going away for a week starting July 6th for a work trip. So it may not get done till then.

As a quick FYI:

Offer:
1) You need at least 425 gold to have a chance get a hero offer (L1). More gold increases your hero offer chance. This is maxed at 75% at 1150 gold (the maximum cost for a hero). The odds decrease for every hero you already have so that by the time you get to 5 heroes your chance to get another one will be down to about 10% (the lowest it gets) unless you have a crazy amount of gold (10000+).

Level:
Starting at turn 6, you have a chance to get a L2 hero (33% L2).
Starting at turn 12, you have a chance to get a L3 hero (66% L2, 33% L3).
Starting at turn 18, you have a chance to get a L4 hero (50% L2, 25% L3, 25% L4).
Starting at turn 25, you have a chance to get a L5 hero (33% L3, 33% L4, 33% L5).
Each extra level of the hero costs 250 gold (so a L3 hero costs 500 more gold than a L1 hero). If you can't afford the minimum level (say at turn 12 you can't afford a L2, you get a L1 instead).

Allies:
Chosen at random from the 8 allies (Dragon/Archon/Devil/Demon/Ghost/Medusa/Wizard/Elemental). If you can't afford the ally (they cost different amounts) you rolled then it selects again from the list. 1 Dragon costs at least 800-1250 gold above what the hero cost. The cheapest Ally is 1 Wizard at 200-400 gold.

Location:
Chosen at random from 1 of your cities.

Here's an example. Lets say it's turn 12 and you want to know how much you need to have a shot at hero with a Red Dragon. I'll assume you have 1 current hero (if you have more, your odds decrease).

The dragon costs 800-1250 gold
A L2 hero costs 425-1150 + 250 (L2)
A L3 hero costs 425-1150 + 500 (L3)

So worst case you need 1150+500+1250 = 2900 gold
Best case you need 425+250+800 = 1475 gold.
Thus you need AT LEAST 1475 gold to have a chance at a Red Dragon ally. Every bit more than that increases your odds, up to 2900 after which more gold doesn't help (unless you already have a lot of heroes).

Note that even when you have that gold, your MAXIMUM chance of a Red Dragon on any given turn is 1/8 (the chance you get that ally) * .75 (max odds to get a hero) = .125*.75= 9.4%.

Personally I try to keep 1500+ gold in my treasury as much as I can to have a chance at a Red Dragon.

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Re: honesty / transparency

Postby Moonknight » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:13 pm

This is very important knowledge, thanks for sharing KGB!
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Re: honesty / transparency

Postby gil » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:52 pm

yep thanks a lot
what about location?
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Re: honesty / transparency

Postby KGB » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:08 pm

gil wrote:what about location?


Look again at what I wrote.

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Re: honesty / transparency

Postby gil » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:34 pm

i wish hero offer will not count for what you have now you should get the offer even if you don't have the gold, only giving the good offers to the strong players makes new players bound to loose and it makes me feel like game dont like me.
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