Whether Washington's spying on Germany be stopped

[Igor]

Merkel doubts whether US will stop spying on Germany
From The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... picks=true

Washington has own interests probably inside every EU country (Germany, Poland...)
Such a wide horizon though.

[KGB]

Obviously Washington (the NSA) isn't going to stop spying on allies. Anyone who believes it will is naive.

Of course other countries are spying on the US too and if you believe otherwise you are also naive.

KGB

[Igor]

KGB, unfortunately I see in your post no link to original material where anyone could read about other countries' spying on the US. If you will find it put it here. Without any evidence, it is only shaking of air what US politicians usually do when they justify for US' spying on Germany.

[KGB]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/us/spying ... y-does-it/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/world ... .html?_r=0

http://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa ... usa-obama/
http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/ ... an_the_nsa
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/2 ... 0620130621

Just google around for countries spying on USA. Doesn't take long to find a list of links.

EVERYONE spies on EVERYONE. Anyone who thinks differently is VERY naive.

KGB

[Igor]

Just read first link and saw no facts there. Only long speech that every one spies everyone. No facts of somebody spied over US.
But Snowden clearly showed that US spied and is still spying over Germany (and even personally over Angela Merkel) and other EU countries.

What is written in the first link shown above? Here is it (fragment):
"I have a word of advice for American allies outraged by alleged NSA spying on their leaders: Grow up. That means you Germany. You, too, France. And you, Brazil. Mexico, too. Also the EU and the UN," blogged Max Boot in Commentary, referring in the two latter instances to the European Union and United Nations. "Does the NSA spy on your leaders? Probably. Do you spy on leaders of allied states including the United States? Probably. You just don't have the resources or capability to spy as effectively as the NSA does. But if you did, you would."
Germany leader is indignant of espionage from USA, and this blogger advices her... to grow up.
Usual american position. An US administrator said clear (quoted): Fuck EU.

How US justifies the spy work? Here is the ancient quote, CIA agent Earnest had referred to:
"We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."
US interests are eternal and EU countries are perhaps allies for a while. This is what CIA must have had in mind when spied over Germany.

[KGB]

Try the other links.

Or google around and you'll find lots of stuff.

KGB

[Igor]

If there are some facts in the other references, would be useful to call them in the post.
Long empty speeches of american politicians is usual and single way they use as an evidence of the secret activity.

[KGB]

What do you consider facts? In the other links the Brazilians and French admit to spying. What other facts does one need?

Most of the 'facts' these days are just fabricated stuff made up by one side or the other to support their views. The NSA for example can 'create facts' by planting evidence that showed other countries spying on the USA. Are they doing that? Who knows. Are other countries planting evidence? Again, who knows (but in the case of MH17 it's VERY suspicious that the Black Boxes and all ground communication audio recordings have been confiscated).

I merely suggest that ALL countries are capable of doing what the USA is doing. Whether they are or not is another matter. I personally chose to believe all countries are spying on everyone else.

KGB

[Igor]

What do you consider facts? In the other links the Brazilians and French admit to spying. What other facts does one need?

Brazil said it spies over a row of diplomats when they were on Brazil territory.
French ex agent said that to spy for commercial activity is usually work for all countries. Unfortunately he has limited his words with this, having given us no example of such spying.
He hasn't explain this:
"On Monday, French daily Le Monde published a story based on leaks from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, alleging that the NSA had recorded 70 million phone calls in France in a 30-day period from December 10 to January 8 this year."
I think let one government watch other governments and don't touch common people, in any countries, including Germany and France.